Jan 2015 Ballot Comment #18

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    • Type: Change Request
    • Resolution: Persuasive with Modification
    • Priority: Medium
    • FHIR Core (FHIR)
    • DSTU1 [deprecated]
    • Structured Documents
    • Composition
    • 6.9.4
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      Current Resolution:

      3/5/2015 - Motion to reopen Rick G/Brett M - passed unanimously.

      Revised Disposition: We will go forward with the existing model that went to ballot in January, with the change that the reference to ANY resource is constrained to List.
      Update the description of List.text to make it consistent with its use as section narrative as well as List narrative (i.e. not just a summary of the list content).
      When list is included as a section, that text of the list is the authenticated content.
      When the section content is naturally narrative only, the reference would still be to a List (not Basic) with an appropriate emptyReason code.

      Vote: 3/5/2015. Motion: Rgeimer/Bmarquard, Unanimous in Favor

      Previous disposition: 1/22/2015

      Persuasive

      Make a modification to section 2.4.1.1 Document Presentation to tighten up the documentation in this section. Tighten the following to a SHALL: "When the document is presented for human consumption, applications must present the collated narrative portions of the following resources in order:"

      Only the narrative of the child resource represents the authentiucated content of the section. Lloyd and Calvin to wordsmith the actual changes.

      Motion: Adopt the modeling of section as presented by Calvin. See SDWG minutes, Q3, Thursday, Jan 22nd.
      Motion: CBeebe/KConan, Vote F-8, Abs-9,Against-2

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      Current Resolution: 3/5/2015 - Motion to reopen Rick G/Brett M - passed unanimously. Revised Disposition: We will go forward with the existing model that went to ballot in January, with the change that the reference to ANY resource is constrained to List. Update the description of List.text to make it consistent with its use as section narrative as well as List narrative (i.e. not just a summary of the list content). When list is included as a section, that text of the list is the authenticated content. When the section content is naturally narrative only, the reference would still be to a List (not Basic) with an appropriate emptyReason code. Vote: 3/5/2015. Motion: Rgeimer/Bmarquard, Unanimous in Favor Previous disposition: 1/22/2015 Persuasive Make a modification to section 2.4.1.1 Document Presentation to tighten up the documentation in this section. Tighten the following to a SHALL: "When the document is presented for human consumption, applications must present the collated narrative portions of the following resources in order:" Only the narrative of the child resource represents the authentiucated content of the section. Lloyd and Calvin to wordsmith the actual changes. Motion: Adopt the modeling of section as presented by Calvin. See SDWG minutes, Q3, Thursday, Jan 22nd. Motion: CBeebe/KConan, Vote F-8, Abs-9,Against-2
    • Clarification
    • Non-substantive
    • DSTU1 [deprecated]

      Existing Wording
      Narrative only sections can be created by setting Content to a resource of the appropriate type and only populating the narrative portion of the resource. If the meaning of the section is such that an appropriate resource does not exist, the Other resource should be used. (In some cases, the a resource may have mandatory elements that preclude the resource containing only narrative. This will be addressed in a future release, but for now, Other should be used in these circumstances as well.)

      Proposed Wording
      See item #1 above.

      Comments
      If a narrative note is created via dictation and then later transcribed. The current modeling for a FHIR document would place the narrative text in a subordinate resource, likely the "Other" resource, or a List which contains a set of resources. If the narrative content of the document is processed via NLP software, it is really hard to know how the dictated content would be preserved intact, if any additional resources were generated from the NLP process. Without a clear separation of narrative content and machine processable resources, processes which adds discrete content to a document would likely impact its narrative.

      Grahame's Comments
      Need to do research into this - would this happen. Will discuss possible cases with Calvin

      Disposition Comment
      If the section of a narrative note is known, then the resource associated with the narrative note is known.

            Assignee:
            Unassigned
            Reporter:
            Calvin E. Beebe
            Calvin E. Beebe
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