Jan 2015 Ballot Comment #53

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    • Type: Change Request
    • Resolution: Persuasive
    • Priority: Medium
    • FHIR Core (FHIR)
    • DSTU1 [deprecated]
    • Patient Care
    • DiagnosticRequest (see ServiceRequest) [deprecated]
      Procedure
      ProcedureRequest (see ServiceRequest) [deprecated]
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      2/19/2015 Orders and Observation Call Block vote:

      Motion same as PC:

      Eric/Austin

      ???Against: 0?; Abstain: 4; In Favor: 10

      PC WG 2/12/15 ?Comment – these are in practice not clearly differentiated. ?No change suggested at this time except to augment the introduction to diagnostic order, procedure request and referral request to help with differentiation. ?

      Planned as part of PC and OO QA. ?

      VOTE: ?Move: Russ/Russell ? Abstain - 0, Negatives - 0,Approve - 9

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      2/19/2015 Orders and Observation Call Block vote: Motion same as PC: Eric/Austin ???Against: 0?; Abstain: 4; In Favor: 10 PC WG 2/12/15 ?Comment – these are in practice not clearly differentiated. ?No change suggested at this time except to augment the introduction to diagnostic order, procedure request and referral request to help with differentiation. ? Planned as part of PC and OO QA. ? VOTE: ?Move: Russ/Russell ? Abstain - 0, Negatives - 0,Approve - 9 ?
    • Clarification
    • Non-substantive
    • DSTU1 [deprecated]

      Existing Wording
      This resource is used to record the details of procedures performed on a patient. A procedure is an activity that is performed with or on a patient as part of the provision of care. Examples include surgical procedures, diagnostic procedures, endoscopic procedures, biopsies, and exclude things for which there are specific resources, such as immunizations, drug administrations.

      Proposed Wording
      This resource is used to record the details of procedures performed on a patient. A procedure is an activity that is performed with or on a patient as part of the provision of care. Examples include surgical procedures, endoscopic procedures, biopsies, and exclude things for which there are specific resources, such as immunizations, drug administrations, and diagnostic procedures [provided FHIR adds a DiagnosticProcedure resource].

      Comments
      Procedure and ProcedureRequest form a pair. Should such a pair also exist for Diagnostic procedures as we have a DiagnosticOrder resource. Currently the text for procedure states that a procedure could be diagnostic procedure. Yet, for the -Request/Order resources, we make the distinction.

      Disposition WG
      Orders & Observations

      Grahame's Comments
      I think that this is consistent, but PC could make things easier by calling it "a procedure perfomed for diagnostic reasons". Still, the grey zone is difficult in real life; in some cases, the procedure is implied (e.g. phlebotomy) and in other cases, the diagnostic service is implied (e.g. in research labs). Usually, the diagnostic order is explicit for billing purposes. Given that this is a real world ambiguity, I'm not sure how much we can do about it

            Assignee:
            Unassigned
            Reporter:
            Claude Nanjo (Inactive)
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