2015May core #282 - Which are master files vs. patient-specific elements. ClinicalImpression is problematic

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    • Type: Change Request
    • Resolution: Persuasive with Modification
    • Priority: High
    • FHIR Core (FHIR)
    • DSTU1 [deprecated]
    • Patient Care
    • CarePlan
      ClinicalImpression
      DetectedIssue
      Goal
      QuestionnaireResponse
      RiskAssessment
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      All of these resources include "patient" or "subject" as part of their data. None of them are master files or definitions of what kind of things "can" exist. They are all specific records for a particular patient or subject. Will verify that the introductions for each of these resources makes that clear.

      We agree that ClinicalImpression needs significant work and will be keeping it as "draft" for DSTU 2. These comments and others will be considered as the WG re-considers this resource as part of DSTU 2.1 work.

      RiskAssessment will be kept as draft as well (agreement from CDS). It will be evaluated as part of the evaluation of ClinicalImpression/ClinicalAssessment.

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      All of these resources include "patient" or "subject" as part of their data. None of them are master files or definitions of what kind of things "can" exist. They are all specific records for a particular patient or subject. Will verify that the introductions for each of these resources makes that clear. We agree that ClinicalImpression needs significant work and will be keeping it as "draft" for DSTU 2. These comments and others will be considered as the WG re-considers this resource as part of DSTU 2.1 work. RiskAssessment will be kept as draft as well (agreement from CDS). It will be evaluated as part of the evaluation of ClinicalImpression/ClinicalAssessment.
    • Stephen/Laura:9-0-0
    • Clarification
    • Non-substantive
    • DSTU1 [deprecated]

      Existing Wording: ClinicalImpression

      (clinicalimpression.html)

      Contraindication

      (contraindication.html)

      QuestionnaireAnswers

      (questionnaireanswers.html)

      CarePlan (careplan.html)

      Goal (goal.html)

      Comment:

      not at all clear which of these are master files( Knowledge bases) versus patient specific data The distinction should be asserted in the description. The medications resource makes it clear that it is a knowledge base, not patient specific entity. (Labs and tests and nursing orders need the same kind of master file. (And don't think its a data element anymore than medications are)

      Contra-indications strike me as something that is also a master file and applies in general not something that is specific to the patient.

      needs clarification

      Clinical impression as a resource is problematic and should be removed. Its only clear use is as one section of a SOAP problem oriented note. It is not an independent entity. Any more than the 3-4 parts of radiologist reports, Reason for study, findings, impression_ are . Further lab tests routinely include an summative element that is labeled an impression or interpretation, and it is just another observations. If readers of this standard believe they all have to be impression resources it will add complexity with no utility. ~~

      Risk assement is a new invention in the sense of being a separate thing. Suspect it does not deserve its own separate resource and will create lots of work for people trying to decide what goes where. Some lab test , e.g. prenatal screening reports values that are literally risk as does the framing ham risk equation. There is no reason to distinguish these structurally from bread and butter observations, they could be culled out when/if needed by looking at the master file.

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            clemmcdonald
            clemmcdonald
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